An interesting discussion from talk.origins.

I was recently battling on the battleground . A small argument flared up between me and “Ray Martinez”.

The details below.

[….snip….]
So you reject the genetical theory (replication error and selection)
while accepting common descent? Very unique (and impossible) position.
The latter cannot be true unless the former occurs.
Ray

And I wrote:

Okay, Ray? He accepts a discredited version of evolution, “neo-
Lamarkism”. Strikes my silly, but I deal with people, like the Nyikos
asshole, or you.

Martinez wrote:

He’s your evo brother, not mine.
Ray (species immutabilist)

I wrote:

There is no such thing, as an “evo brother”. Evolution, is the changes
of allele frequencies within a population. And, evolution has done
great contributions to the medical field. No, evolution has brought
significant contributions to the medical field, creationism hasn’t.

Thrinaxodon
A cynodont in a kitchen.

And Ray stopped replying.

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A man has no reason to be ashamed of having an ape for his grandfather. If there was an ancestor whom I should feel shame in recalling it would rather be a man — a man of restless and versatile intellect — who not content with an equivocal success in his own sphere of activity, plunges into scientific questions with which he has no real acquaintance, only to obscure them with aimless rhetoric, and distract the attention of his hearers from the real point at issue by eloquent digressions and skilled appeals to religious prejudice.

TH Huxley 

A man has no re…

Refutation of CreationWiki’s “article” on australopithecines.

“Australopithecines include two closely related genera (Australopithecus and Paranthropus). Australopithecines are distinguished by their very ape-like skull (though the teeth are more human-like than chimpanzee-like), small brain size (between 375 and 550cc), and knuckle-walking stance.”

Bullshit! Australopthecines, walked upright.[1] There’s even evidence, that they, started to develop a more human like brain growth (i.e. longer childhoods), as seen in Selam.[1]

“The claim that australopithecines, like Lucy, walked upright was largely based on the appearance of her leg and hip bone. However, australopithecines have long forearms and short hind legs. They also have curved fingers and long curved toes. Curved fingers and toes in extant primates are readily recognized as having no other purpose than full or part-time arboreal (tree-dwelling) life. It should also be noted that bipedal walking is common among living gorillas and some chimpanzees. However, this mode is not truly bipedal, and is more accurately referred to as knuckle-walking. Living nonhuman primates and australopithecines are probably analogous in this regard, and therefore, neither can be considered any closer to humans than the other.”

Mostly, BS! They forget to mention the plenty of other fossils we found. They didn’t have long curved toes. That’s not true, gorillas don’t have the body form to walk upright. Lucy has the anatomical body parts, to walk upright![1,2]

Citations

1 Scientific American, What Makes Us Human, chapter 1.

Unreccomended links.

ID is not science!

I have heard claims by creationists that ID is science, and it follows the scientific method. That is not true. I’ll give a list of reasons why it is not science and and criticize it’s attacks against science.

1.) Unfalsifiable.

2.) Unverifiable.

3.) Not testable.

4.) Unreasonable.

5.) Can’t stand up to scientific rigor.

6.) Violates methodological naturalism.

It is metaphysical, not scientific.

Unintelligent Design

I heard on No Answers in Genesis discussion board, that some-one posted on “Irreducible complexity”, saying “the eye is so complex, it must be designed.” That is so stupid! He’s apparently ignoring the fact that we have a blind-spot, or we can only see three colors.  He then quote-mined Darwin, even though he demonstrated that the eye could evolve, and we don’t need common sense to confirm it.